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Problems / Re: How to 'Fill'
« Last post by mitchb on Today at 12:39:01 AM »
After downloading your file I exported it as a dwg R2000 with no problem, which is why I asked the question. Try it again and see if the problem continues.

Enjoy
Mitch
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Problems / Re: How to 'Fill'
« Last post by Andrew1883 on May 28, 2017, 04:48:49 PM »
Hi Mitch

Screen shot attached

Regards  Andrew
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Problems / Re: way to save shortcuts to reimport
« Last post by bayswater on May 28, 2017, 02:36:17 PM »
I agree it's a pain to have to reenter all your shortcuts every time the application is updated.  Good programming practise would suggest these ought to be in preferences and left in place as updates are installed.  Looking at the Mac application file, I can only find one reference to shortcuts.  You can find it by right clicking on the application file and selecting Show Package Contents.  Navigate to Contents/Resources/Environ and there is a file called Shortcuts.sys.  It's last modified date does not change if shortcuts are changed, so it's probably not the correct file.  There is also a plist inside the application package but it does not seem to contain any text that might be shortcuts.
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Problems / What is a Valid Hatch Region
« Last post by bayswater on May 28, 2017, 02:11:06 PM »
I have a recurring problem applying fill or a hatch pattern to polygons.  If I draw a shape with connecting lines or with a polygon tools, and then try to apply a fill, about 95% of the time I get a message saying "valid hatch region not found".  "Hatch Region" does not appear in the manual, and I'm unable to find any consistent means of dealing with this. I've tried closing any possible gaps in the surface.  That seems to work about 10% of the time, but usually it doesn't.  Sometimes I go back to a place where that message appeared, and the fill tool will work as expected. 

This has been going on for months if not year, in TC Mac Deluxe 9 and 10.  Any suggestions on where to start to get this working consistently are appreciated.  Also, some definition of what makes a valid hatch region would be a good thing to put in the manual.

A possibly related problem is the ability to turn a 2D shape into a 3D shape.  E.g. draw a square, tilt it in 3D and apply the push pull tool.  Sometimes it drags the surface and makes a cube, but usually it doesn't.  Same with the Extrude tool, which works more often, but not consistently.  Typing in the axis and amount of extrusion usually works, but again not always. 

My suspicion is that this is related to gaps in curves, and I noticed that V10 is supposed to have a gap closing function.  I tried that on a  trial version before updating from V9 to 10, but now can't find any sign of this function. 
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Problems / Re: How to 'Fill'
« Last post by mitchb on May 27, 2017, 12:47:55 PM »
Andrew,

What error indication did you get when saving?

Enjoy
Mitch
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Problems / Re: How to 'Fill'
« Last post by Andrew1883 on May 25, 2017, 04:39:58 PM »
Thanks Mitch

I haven't followed through properly yet on your last reply as I have been trying to write notes on the complete method so I would have somewhere to start from next time I want to do a new drawing. I attach the result as a pdf (might be useful to others, though no guarantees of success).

I did the complete fill of my current drawing remarkably quickly by following my own notes - but then hit a surprise snag. Exporting in AutoCAD format (.dwg. R2000) didn't work. It was a surprise because it had worked with a complete filled earlier version of this drawing. I wonder if there is any obvious reason why exporting has failed? I attach the filled drawing in .tcp format.

Kind regards

Andrew

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Problems / Re: How to 'Fill'
« Last post by mitchb on May 23, 2017, 12:25:49 AM »
Hi Andrew,

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The next sentence ending in ‘bring forward twice' is ambiguous

I was referring to the polygon created by clicking on the outline of the part, I should have added, but not the circles, bring that forward twice. This polygon is behind the other two polygons and to be seen it must be brought forward.

In your last reply, you talked about using cut & paste:

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By copying and pasting

Just select the six polygons and hold down the Option key to copy, click on and drag them down to the next part, they will snap into place. Release the Option key then hold it down again then grab and drag again.

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I am wondering if I need a better understanding of the various arrange options (or possibly show and hide). I am conscious I do not know when it is appropriate to ‘bring forward’ as opposed to ‘bring to front’, for example.

Try making four smart polygons, color each of them different and then tile them over each other. Use the arrange option to move them forward and backward. The "Bring to front" and "Send To Back" just move the selected polygon all the way to the front or all the way to the back with just one click. Circles behave a little different. Take a circle and fill it. You now have a circle and a filled polygon. The polygon cannot be moved by itself but select the circle and move that, the polygon will follow. The circle can also be deleted and the polygon will now move as expected. You will experience this same issue with smart polygons created by the fill tool if the underlying geometry is single line objects.

Consider making the parts in some unused portion of the drawing and when complete copy/drag it into place in the drawing.

Enjoy
Mitch
 

 
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Problems / Re: How to 'Fill'
« Last post by Andrew1883 on May 21, 2017, 04:09:31 PM »
Hi Mitch

I've finally battled through to a complete filled etch! Trouble is, I'm not confident that the methods I used are reliable and that I won't run into difficulties filling my next drawing.

This time, I used your method with each rectangle in turn, then used my method for the parts within the rectangles. I did the four parts in the side rectangles and the top two in the middle rectangle. I then tried to delete the other eighteen parts in the middle rectangle but interdependencies got in the way, so I 'hid' the eighteen instead. By copying and pasting I then used the top two to recreate the eighteen - giving a completely filled etch. I'm not sure what effect the hidden unfilled eighteen parts could have - hopefully none.

Thank you for all the help. It would be good if you could tell me if I'm doing anything very wrong with 'Arrange'.

Kind regards

Andrew
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Problems / Re: How to 'Fill'
« Last post by Andrew1883 on May 21, 2017, 07:55:25 AM »
Hi Mitch

This is still not going well and is consuming hours of time.

Your first three sentences are fine and I get to a middle rectangle in white with 20 components in outline, complete with circles. The next sentence ending in ‘bring forward twice' is ambiguous as it could mean click on each line and bring forward, doing the line selection and bringing forward twice, or it could mean selection once followed by bringing forward twice. I tried both interpretations several times but could not get the part to turn blue. As a more reliable way of selecting all the lines, I also tried using fill + shift to put a fence round the part including circles, deselected the circles by fill + shift clicking on each of them in turn until just the part outline was red and then ‘bring forward’. That didn’t work either.

In desperation, I tried a different approach. With one of the twenty parts in outline in white I used the select tool to put a fence round just the circles and then 'sent to back’. I then set fill to blue and using fill + shift put a fence round the empty outline of the part. 'Bring to front’ turned it blue. Then back to the select tool to put a fence round the location of the five circles, ‘bring to front’ and white fill the circles - and it’s there. Trouble is, it’s not reliable. One part works fine but the next part may end up with some of those strange connecting lines I had trouble with before. Sometimes, seemingly randomly, a circle may appear coloured blue. There can even be interaction between successive parts.

When I try to make the side rectangles white (each with their two parts showing in outline), the procedure that worked for the middle rectangle doesn’t seem to work.

It’s a bit hard to tell why I’m having all these difficulties. Whatever the reason, I’m still a long way from being able to do a drawing for an etch, confident that I will be able to fill it and send it away for etching. In some ways, this drawing is an easy example as there is scope with only limited success for copying and pasting to get the whole drawing done. More complex drawings will need every part to be able to be filled on its own.

I am wondering if I need a better understanding of the various arrange options (or possibly show and hide). I am conscious I do not know when it is appropriate to ‘bring forward’ as opposed to ‘bring to front’, for example.

Am I the only person finding fill so difficult? If others find it straightforward then it must be something about either me or my setup.

Kind regards

Andrew
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Problems / Re: How to 'Fill'
« Last post by mitchb on May 19, 2017, 12:36:36 AM »
Hi Andrew,

Starting with the drawing you posted with the outer polygon set to blue. Select the Fill tool, set the color to white, solid fill and while holding the shift key click on each of the four lines forming the middle rectangle. Go to Arrange and click on "Bring Forward", repeat a second time and the polygon should now be white. Select the Fill tool, change the color to blue, and while holding down the shift key click on each line forming the outline of the part, with this polygon selected go to Arrange and bring forward twice. Your part should now be blue. Select the Fill tool and change the color to white. Click on each circle one at a time in the center, watch that the LogiCursor says center when you click. You may have to zoom in to see this for the smaller circles. You will get an "Invalid Region" error if you don't get the center. Click on each circle's polygon and Arrange "Bring To Front" since these are on top, just put them there with one click.

Now that one is complete all that is left is to copy and drag. Select the Selection Arrow, holding the shift key select just the six polygons of the part. Hold down the Option key, click on an edge of the part and drag a copy down to the next part, align it and release the Option key. Move your mouse away from the part then hold down the Option key, grab the part again and drag out another copy and place it down on the next part. This little motion here is to let the program know that we are done with the current part and are making another copy. The part should remain selected but if it becomes de-selected just re-select the six polygons and continue copying. Repeat the above for the two side boxes.

Enjoy
Mitch
 
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