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Move an Object ... and it becomes a mess.
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* April 16, 2018, 11:00:40 PM
What is going on here?


Move the group ... and it doesn't re-draw properly. Each time I move it, one more piece disappears and part of it's characteristics (usually thickness/distance) will transfer to something that remains.

I've not used 3D much, perhaps there's a bit of 2D habits that shouldn't be done in 3D?

For the wheel hub, I started with a 5.5" circle in one of the first three View Menu options.

Add in the inner two circles, then place a 4.75 pentagon on the same center as the circles so that I can place 5 .5" circles in the positions of what will become the lugs. 

After tilting the view slightly to get a 3D perspective and use the Push / Pull tool to make the large circle .7" thick, and then each of the lugs to be 1" and the center two circles that form the hub get pulled to 2".

Create a second set of two circles to form a hub for the backside of the lug plate and use the tool to pull that as well.

Change to a side view so I can place the just created shape on the other side.

Select all of it, make a group and then move it. The result is not what was started with.

Using the Undo results in moving the thing back,  but not in restoring the components.

Also, what is with the left over shapes after using Push / Pull? You move something and there's a left over piece that stays. But if you grab and move that it will move the 3D shape as well. If you delete the left over shape, then it gets weird when moving things in general.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2018, 12:05:01 AM by tdFTZ »


* April 17, 2018, 12:07:00 AM
I think you have the push/pull tool and gripper mixed up. The tool being used in the video is the gripper. The Gripper moves the selected part/s, so if one part is selected you can move it alone but if a second part is selected without de-selecting the first one then both parts will move together, think of them as a tempory group.



* April 17, 2018, 12:13:33 AM
I added a bit more to the description. The video is showing only what happens when the item is selected and moved. With the Gripper tool. 

Either way, something isn't right. It selects the whole group as you can see the thing becomes red-outlined and when placing the cursor in the center of the Gripper to move the group, you see that only a portion of the group moves.

When released it will move all of the group, but the re-draw is mangled.

Reload the file and select the group first, Copy / Paste it elsewhere and then select that second one and move it. It works fine, most of the time.

But if you go and move that original one, it's still mangled when placed.


April 17, 2018, 04:20:59 AM
I gave a response there td! I dloaded the file, and I'll play it a bit when I wake up later ( it's bedtime now) as you mentioned on 2nd post, with the 2nd part from a copy behaving correctly, is the "same" as some other groupings getting doubled datas when a file is closed, or exported as DXF. The other item ( as replied) is the sequencing of the structures,Anyway, look for a video response this evening! Johnny ( I also subscribed).


* April 17, 2018, 03:39:41 PM
Here's a bit more of the same, along with another issue having to do with window re-drawing that I've not been able to capture predictably either.  The window re-draw after switching between documents and/or from Finder to the application is the other issue highlighted here.


When the cursor pauses/shakes/outlines something, that's the area of concern.


April 17, 2018, 07:15:29 PM
What a long day! that multiple files open is a hassle isn't it! also, it looked to me that your desktop is very busy! eject those 2 DMG's and see if you can 'desize' some of the items! I had 6 columns last week, which I finally cleaned up, and that helped speed things up on the TCP responses, I'll be back in 30 mins!          tomentyalater! Johnny


April 17, 2018, 07:51:35 PM
OK td! I'm about to run a vid: first off, I saw ( before reverting) that according to placement of the cursor points, all kinds of different effects are available! Hopefully I can convey in the vid! are you running Skype? if so I can send you a copy of my tutorials!


April 17, 2018, 08:40:05 PM
Yepper tdFTZ! we have a gigantor skeeter bug! :D
 here's a crash report plus a vid! You will also see my desktop, and 1 folder is 2G's big, so that seems to be non effect to the negative behaviors!         tormentyalater!   Johnny


* April 17, 2018, 10:58:39 PM
It looks like a bug to me too. It appears to me that the associative links are being corrupted. To make this work ungroup the hub and under the Edit menu at the bottom, click on "Remove Links". All the parts of the hub will now move together after selecting them, using either dragging or the Gripper tool. Another fix is to use the "Add Solid" tool adding each part together into a single solid.



* April 18, 2018, 12:24:21 PM
I guess my label of "Show Stopper" hasn't left me .. obscure bugs .. 

"We beat the hell out of. that code" .. and then I come along and "bam!" .. crashes right there.  What are you talking [email protected]?!?!

See, look, like this.

OMG! ;-)


* April 18, 2018, 12:38:19 PM
FWIW, that result was happening all over the place for me that day. I attributed it to "maybe the document has too much weird going on on in it" .. So I went over to a new scratch document to do that and some other stuff.

Pretty much followed the same steps and it did it again. It was only afterwards that I had made the connection that the resulting paste of a copy actually works, though given the circumstances I wasn't sure to even trust that .. as maybe it was triggering something screwed up. 

Also, why do those shapes tend to turn to rectangular/squared solids when the screen is re-drawing?


* April 18, 2018, 01:50:19 PM
why do those shapes tend to turn to rectangular/squared solids when the screen is re-drawing?

What you are seeing is the bounding box while the part is in transition. To see them use the Verify menu "Bounding Box".